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The massive haul could help sustain him in a lengthy battle for the nomination.

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Too many variables make projections difficult, strategists say. “It’s an insane Rubik’s cube” of possibilities.

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33 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Biden has won the popular vote in all four primaries and caucuses so far.

He has won the popular vote just as Clinton won the popular vote in 2016.  Maybe I should say Biden has won more popular votes than any other candidate.

I should say he has won more popular votes than any other candidate.

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36 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Biden has won the popular vote in all four primaries and caucuses so far.

You couldn't be more wrong, I'm afraid ...

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4 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

You couldn't be more wrong, I'm afraid ...

Biden leads in the popular vote so far.  You are discounting the big vote he got in S.C.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/south-carolina-primary-results-2020/h_4d722feaef01e08ad51294df7c2adb1a

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3 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Biden leads in the popular vote so far.  You are discounting the big vote he got in S.C.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/south-carolina-primary-results-2020/h_4d722feaef01e08ad51294df7c2adb1a

That's not what you were saying before and that's not what I was replying to.    And it's ironic because you also argue that the popular vote is meaningless as the electoral college determines things.

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5 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

That's not what you were saying before and that's not what I was replying to.    And it's ironic because you also argue that the popular vote is meaningless as the electoral college determines things.

I mentioned because a lot of people make a big issue out of Clinton winning the popular vote, but losing the election.

I'm sorry that you didn't understand what I was attempting to state.  

Biden is leading the popular vote to date

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/south-carolina-primary-results-2020/h_4d722feaef01e08ad51294df7c2adb1a

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Whoever is the nominee, I just hope that, if and when they lose, they accept that it's a repudiation of their policies. Trump and his twin Bernie ("It's the same dame.") are always looking for someone/something to blame.  There is a feeling on the far left that I think is a fallacy. That is, that the reason the far left doesn't win is that the Democrats never run a candidate pure enough. So if Bernie becomes the candidate, and loses, let's hope he doesn't blame anyone or anything apart from the fact that his own sorry outdated policies have been fully repudiated. And the same goes for Trump, if he loses. It's not the media, it's not the wickedness of their opponents or their lukewarm support.  These guys need to look in the mirror.

 

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18 minutes ago, Swithin said:

Whoever is the nominee, I just hope that, if and when they lose, they accept that it's a repudiation of their policies. Trump and his twin Bernie ("It's the same dame.") are always looking for someone/something to blame.  There is a feeling on the far left that I think is a fallacy. That is, that the reason the far left doesn't win is that the Democrats never run a candidate pure enough. So if Bernie becomes the candidate, and loses, let's hope he doesn't blame anyone or anything apart from the fact that his own sorry outdated policies have been fully repudiated. And the same goes for Trump, if he loses. It's not the media, it's not the wickedness of their opponents or their lukewarm support.  These guys need to look in the mirror.

 

I am not trying to champion Sanders.   That said, both of these 'dames' as you characterize them are appealing to a great many people and in the case of 2016 it was the moderate in the democrat party who lost.

Are why trying to repudiate Hillary Clinton's 'sorry outdated policies'?   No.    

I hope whoever loses this democrat primary will try to unite the party to defeat Donald Trump.  And good luck to whoever wins.

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27 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

I am not trying to champion Sanders.   That said, both of these 'dames' as you characterize them are appealing to a great many people and in the case of 2016 it was the moderate in the democrat party who lost.

I didn't think you were. Btw, another "dame" is Jeremy Corbyn. His diehard supporters want to blame Brexit for his loss, but it's obviously Corbyn himself. 

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42 minutes ago, Swithin said:

I didn't think you were. Btw, another "dame" is Jeremy Corbyn. His diehard supporters want to blame Brexit for his loss, but it's obviously Corbyn himself. 

Corbyn had a disagreeable personality going against him but that was not the only reason that he lost.  He offered no answer to stay or leave.  So his loyal labour supporters in the north of England who wanted to leave voted for Boris.  The people who wanted to stay didn't vote for him either.

But back to the U.S. politicians.  There is a reason why so many people are not embracing moderates but like the 'outsiders' and that is they believe them when they say that the system is rigged against them.   A lot of young people gravitate to Sanders because of that while older people generally don't want or don't trust an upheaval to change things.  But young people seem to want to gamble on that.  The moderates in the democrat party better get a grip on that because that is going to be the future of the party.  You watch what happens if this virus causes another recession.  All those people who had jobs because of a resurgent economy will lose them and they are without savings because of the rigged system.

Trump of course is a false prophet.  He pretends to be for the working class but everything he does is to enrich himself and the ultra-rich.  He has happened upon the ultimate con.  He, Ross and Mnuchin made a killing on the 2008 recession and gobbled up all those foreclosures which the government actually helped them do.  They've got everything coming and going these guys.

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16 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Trump of course is a false prophet.  He pretends to be for the working class but everything he does is to enrich himself and the ultra-rich.  He has happened upon the ultimate con.  He, Ross and Mnuchin made a killing on the 2008 recession and gobbled up all those foreclosures which the government actually helped them do.  They've got everything coming and going these guys.

The media still likes to quote that sign that was pasted on the wall of Bill Clinton's campaign hq in 1992: "It's the economy stupid." But in fact, it's not just the economy. Feelings of nationalism and tribalism can override a voter's economic needs. So, we can say that, if a blue collar voter votes for Trump, he's voting against his own interests. But if he's voting for Trump out of what he sees as motives of nationalism/tribalism, what the voter is saying is that those things are more important to him than even his own economic self interest. And that class of voters says that again and again.

Regarding the youth of America, I'm a child of the '60s. I remember the youth movement, I marched against Vietnam and worshipped Phil Ochs. And what did that get us? A victorious Richard Nixon, twice, who would have served out his second term, had he not made a damn fool mistake. 

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45 minutes ago, Swithin said:

The media still likes to quote that sign that was pasted on the wall of Bill Clinton's campaign hq in 1992: "It's the economy stupid." But in fact, it's not just the economy. Feelings of nationalism and tribalism can override a voter's economic needs. So, we can say that, if a blue collar voter votes for Trump, he's voting against his own interests. But if he's voting for Trump out of what he sees as motives of nationalism/tribalism, what the voter is saying is that those things are more important to him than even his own economic self interest. And that class of voters says that again and again.

Regarding the youth of America, I'm a child of the '60s. I remember the youth movement, I marched against Vietnam and worshipped Phil Ochs. And what did that get us? A victorious Richard Nixon, twice, who would have served out his second term, had he not made a damn fool mistake. 

I hear you.  That's why I am not against a moderate being the eventual candidate of the democrats.  But if that does not happen the democrats have to learn from the GOP and get behind their nominee.  Even if it is Sanders at least you would have all those nasty Trump executive orders overruled and the Supreme Court wouldn't keep going right wing not to mention the sliding of the nation toward fascism under Trump.  Sanders more bizarre plans won't get past Congress anyway.

When Elizabeth Warren was on stage with Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign my wife mentioned that there was an excitement.   Warren would have been a better choice for Clinton but Hillary wanted a mirror image of herself.  It's water under the bridge now but I hope a moderate nominee will take note.

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'The Nation' endorses Bernie Sanders-

........The progressive magazine announced its backing of Sanders saying he “deserves our enthusiastic support” and “our votes.” The Nation’s staff praised the Vermont progressive for not depending on PACs and wealthy donors and for making the “greatest leftward shift in political discourse since Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s second term.”

“As of this morning, Bernie Sanders—a Jewish grandfather with an indelible Brooklyn accent—is the leading contender for the Democratic nomination,” The Nation wrote. “He got there by forging a movement campaign that expands our understanding of what can be achieved in the electoral arena and that invites us to imagine that government of, by, and for the people might actually be possible.”

“We are proud to endorse Bernie Sanders, a democratic socialist with a program realistic and radical enough to meet the test of our time, for president of the United States,” the magazine added........

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485533-the-nation-endorses-bernie-sanders

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'Democracy for America' Endorses Sanders

in 'Wake-Up Call to Broken, Visionless, Corporate Democratic Establishment'

"Bernie Sanders has built a powerful multi-racial, multi-generational movement and we're excited to join the campaign at this critical moment in the Democratic race."

"Bernie Sanders is the candidate who is energizing our base, connecting with those who have long felt ignored by our politics, and electrifying the next generation of Americans."......

"Americans want fundamental change in Washington, not a return to the status quo," said Chamberlain.

"In the most important election of our lifetimes, Bernie Sanders is the candidate who is energizing our base, connecting with those who have long felt ignored by our politics, and electrifying the next generation of Americans we need to beat Donald Trump, win up and down the ballot nationwide, and fight for bold, inclusive populist reforms like Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, and robust criminal justice reform.".........

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/02/democracy-america-endorses-sanders-wake-call-broken-visionless-corporate-democratic

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21 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

"Bernie Sanders is the candidate who is energizing our base

As energizing as a heart attack prone, near 80 year old can be at least.

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That's about the truth of it. Getting everything free is so glorious isn't it.

Exactly what the former Soviet Union did, don't believe me, ask any former prisoner of their gulags  :angry:

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