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Tonight! I’m honored to be interviewing former presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders from my former living room. #LSSC #FeelTheBern #WashTheHands
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-WATCHED LAST NIGHT. 
Colbert asked  Bernie 2X  if he'd give Biden a full-hearted ENDORSEMENT.......
 
Sanders only said he would continue talks w/Biden & his 'advisors' .......positions re: criminal justice, Green Deal, etc.
 
-then, even Colbert mentioned that especially w/pandemic response,
the need for a MFA policy position now would be obvious for ANYone....
 
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Bernie Sanders on 'Colbert' Explains What Joe Biden Must do to Defeat Trump in 2020 Election

.........Despite throwing in the towel, Sanders said he would continue to fight and work for the American people and hoped to work with Biden to "move him in a more progress direction."

"I think Joe is a good politician, and he understands that in order to defeat the president, in order to defeat [President Donald]Trump, he's going to have to bring new people into his political world and that he's going to have to listen to their needs—young people, working people—and maybe start moving in a different direction, to some degree, than he has in the past," Sanders said..........

I think by ending the campaign right now, by focusing on my job as a United States Senator to help deal with this pandemic, deal with the economic collapse that we're experiencing—I think it's a better use of my time. And I think that makes the most sense to me right now.".........

......... But I will tell you that I and many of my colleagues are working as hard as we can to come up with the money and the law to make sure that in November, if it is necessary, that the American people can vote by paper ballot," Sanders said. "But I will tell you that there is strong resistance coming from Republicans. And you know why that resistance is coming? They understand that through paper ballots, there will be a large voter turnout, and they don't like large voter turnout. They want a smaller voter turnout because they believe that their people are more likely to vote than lower-income people or young people who may take advantage of the paper ballot.".....

https://www.newsweek.com/late-night-tv-bernie-sanders-1497107?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1586459834

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14 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Bernie Sanders on 'Colbert' Explains What Joe Biden Must do to Defeat Trump in 2020 Election

 

......... But I will tell you that I and many of my colleagues are working as hard as we can to come up with the money and the law to make sure that in November, if it is necessary, that the American people can vote by paper ballot," Sanders said. "But I will tell you that there is strong resistance coming from Republicans. And you know why that resistance is coming? They understand that through paper ballots, there will be a large voter turnout, and they don't like large voter turnout. They want a smaller voter turnout because they believe that their people are more likely to vote than lower-income people or young people who may take advantage of the paper ballot.".....

https://www.newsweek.com/late-night-tv-bernie-sanders-1497107?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1586459834

I do not foresee paper ballots in November.  No federal mandate will ever make it through the Senate, much less get signed by Trump.

If states beyond those with existing programs try to implement it, the Republicans will bring lawsuits that will eventually make it to the Republican US Supreme Court.

Also, the GOPers at the state levels will try to put in so many requirements that thousands of ballots in each state will be thrown out.

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13 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
The American people can't afford to wait any longer.
Every working class American needs $2,000 a month.
Every unemployed American needs $600 a week.
Every American needs healthcare as a human right.
No one in America should go hungry or homeless.
 
The do-nothing Senate must act.
 
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Ah, the resurrection of a DarkBlue thread.

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2 hours ago, HIGHWAY said:

Some light blue corporate Democrat's would have voted for Trump over Bernie. They have good Health Ins. a steady pay and no fear of losing their homes because of a pandemic. 

 

Actually a lot of Democratic leaning voters period would vote for Trump over Bernie.  Just as many voted for Trump over Biden this time.

Several counties in TX that are heavily Hispanic and have voted Democratic for many decades up to 100 years went for Trump this time.  The Republican messaging that the Democrats are for socialism, against the oil industry and similar caused it.  As it might in 2022 and 2024.   That is why Trump is the biggest loser in the election.  He lost while most Republicans actually won their elections.  Even ones who were supposed to lose.

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The Democrats don't do a good job of name-calling, e.g. they need to call a spade a spade and use the "fascist" word as much as the Republicans use the "socialist" word. They also don't educate the voters in the fact that accusations of socialism were made against Social Security and Medicare. Republicans largely voted against Medicare.

 

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12 minutes ago, Swithin said:

The Democrats don't do a good job of name-calling, e.g. they need to call a spade a spade and use the "fascist" word as much as the Republicans use the "socialist" word. They also don't educate the voters in the fact that accusations of socialism were made against Social Security and Medicare. Republicans largely voted against Medicare.

 

Those programs are socialism.  If more people would admit/realize it, maybe we could get past American's distaste for the word.

 

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4 minutes ago, txfilmfan said:

Those programs are socialism.  If more people would admit/realize it, maybe we could get past American's distaste for the word.

 

This is the standard definition of socialism. Those programs may have some socialistic tendencies, but they really don't fit the classic definition.

"Socialism is an economic and political system. It is an economic theory of social organization. It states that the means of making, moving, and trading wealth should be owned or controlled by the workers."

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19 minutes ago, Swithin said:

The Democrats don't do a good job of name-calling, e.g. they need to call a spade a spade and use the "fascist" word as much as the Republicans use the "socialist" word. They also don't educate the voters in the fact that accusations of socialism were made against Social Security and Medicare. Republicans largely voted against Medicare.

 

Dems are terrible at identifying their programs positively and Republican programs/positions negatively.  Always have been.  Need to heir Madison Avenue advertising people.

I was on high school debate team when Medicare was being considered and it was the national debate topic for the year.  Almost all doctors, hospitals and AMA were opposed to it.  Now try and find a doctor or medical facility that does not gladly accept it.  

3 minutes ago, txfilmfan said:

Those programs are socialism.  If more people would admit/realize it, maybe we could get past American's distaste for the word.

 

Social Security and Medicare may be "socialistic," but they are not "socialism" as most Americans interpret it.  As long as the far left of Dem Party embraces socialism, it will be offensive to many voters.  Just the way it is.  They can advocate "socialistic" programs, but do not call them socialism.

For most Americans, socialism connotes USSR, Cuba, several South American countries and others of which they disapprove.  Just the way it is.

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11 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Social Security and Medicare may be "socialistic," but they are not "socialism" as most Americans interpret it.  As long as the far left of Dem Party embraces socialism, it will be offensive to many voters.  Just the way it is.  They can advocate "socialistic" programs, but do not call them socialism.

For most Americans, socialism connotes USSR, Cuba, several South American countries and others of which they disapprove.  Just the way it is.

That's my point.  We're not a completely capitalistic country, and haven't been in several areas.  Most countries are a blend of economic systems.  

As another example, water and sewer utilities where I live are handled by a government agency.  Is this socialism?  It's not privately owned.   What would you call it?  When I lived in the UK (a country with a long history of government run industries), my water and sewer were provided by a private corporation.  Not sure which is the most prevalent here in the US, but most of the places I lived, water and sewer services were government provided.   I lived in one town where the electric utility was also city owned.  If the US were purely capitalistic, these utilities would have been privatized long ago.  But someone sees the value in government ownership of this, for some reason.

Social security and Medicare are government-run insurance programs, and hence, owned by the people.  If that doesn't fall under a definition of socialism, I don't know how else you'd define it.

And this is where the American mindset differs from most other places on the planet.  Many Americans see the government as not "us" but "them" - some faceless group of bureaucrats (as if they weren't also Americans).  And this is why most Americans don't like the "S" word, as it's the government (and not "us").

I've often said most Americans are against government health insurance, until they turn 65.  

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57 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Dems are terrible at identifying their programs positively and Republican programs/positions negatively.  Always have been.  Need to heir Madison Avenue advertising people.

That's right. Dems have allowed anti-abortion mostly Republicans name their cause "Pro Life." Democrats should consistently refer to it as "Anti-Abortion;" or "Anti-Women's Choice."

 

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1 hour ago, txfilmfan said:

As another example, water and sewer utilities where I live are handled by a government agency.  Is this socialism?  It's not privately owned.   What would you call it? 

Water and sewer are generally government run because private companies don't want to bother with it or cannot efficiently do it.  Water and sewer are highly regulated because of their impact on everybody.  So, just as police, fire and similar are better provided by government.   I have lived in cities that provided electricity, but in fact they just bought it from a private company.

There are some water and electric cooperatives, but usually for very rural areas or really small towns.

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12 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Water and sewer are generally government run because private companies don't want to bother with it or cannot efficiently do it.  Water and sewer are highly regulated because of their impact on everybody. 

That's one argument people have for universal health care.  🙂

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1 hour ago, txfilmfan said:

That's one argument people have for universal health care.  🙂

You use the term "universal heath care":   by that to you mean that the doctors,  hospitals,  nurses, pharmacies,  etc.. are all employees of the government?

I ask because the post about water and sewer workers are not government employees.

Thus I really don't see any connection here to the workers that provide health CARE  (unless one is calling for all heath care workers to be government employees).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

You use the term "universal heath care":   by that to you mean that the doctors,  hospitals,  nurses, pharmacies,  etc.. are all employees of the government?

I ask because the post about water and sewer workers are not government employees.

Thus I really don't see any connection here to the workers that provide health CARE  (unless one is calling for all heath care workers to be government employees).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, not necessarily.  I just mean the government funds healthcare or insurance coverage as a basic service for all.  And where I'm from, the water and sewer utility employees are government employees.

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4 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

 

I ask because the post about water and sewer workers are not government employees.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In S.C., probably 90% of water and sewer employees are government employees.  They work for regional authorities as opposed to cities, counties or states.  Some work for cities, but not many.  There are very, very few private water or sewer authorities.

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