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//Hello sugarpuss - (is that as in "O'Shea"?)//

 

Yes! I love 'Ball of Fire'. It's my favorite Barbara Stanwyck movie. She's so fantastic in it. I registered here a few days later after watching that movie for the first time.

 

And yes, I still need a guest programmer but October is a long time away, so I'm not sweating yet! I find this to be really exciting and fun. The logistics of programming a week is crazy--it's not as easy as it seems. And thank you for the welcome! It's nice to be aboard.

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Kyle,

 

Love the idea and flexibility of your Challlenge idea. As in the last two Challenges, you've read my mind. I was thinking of a night with some of the franchise films you mentioned, but under a different theme, when doing my Challenge mental exercises just after the last one ended. I'm in.

 

Thanks for PMing me about the new Challenge or I probably wouldn't have stumbled onto it till October 7th at 11:59 PM.

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I am really glad to see so many from the previous challenges are going to be in, and with newcomers it's all the more terrific.

 

You've done a great job of getting people excited, Kyle.

 

And, to everybody else, there is plenty of time to join in!

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Hello filmlover and MattHelm -

 

Thanks for the kind words and I am so glad you both are participating again this go-round. I hope you are both are enjoying putting together a week's worth of programming for TCM.

 

And I am pleased to announce that as of today, "Another TCM Programming Challenge" has 8 declared participants. (Not everyone working on weeks for submission has announced themselves in this thread.) I am thrilled to have drawn so many folks to this edition of our fun exercise. It's like a Fantasy Football League game for film lovers. OK, maybe its not like that but, just the same, a good time will be had by all. I promise.

 

If you are fence-sitting about joining in, I am working on some links that will hopefully make the Challenge less daunting in the hopes of convincing a few more Board Members of giving it a shot themselves. Look for it over the next few days.

 

In the meantime, earlier today sugarpuss (Hi There!) directed me to a website with which I was unfamiliar and have spent a an hour or two checking out. They don't call it the Wayback Machine for nothing! Here's a link to a directory of other links that will be sure to bring a nostalgic smile to any one who was around TCM at the beginning.

 

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://tcm.turner.com

 

Click on any of the links on the page (I suggest an early one) and see what TCM on the web was like at the beginning. And by poking around, one can find old schedules too.

 

To my eight "Challengers", I am glad each and every one of you are involved and you have made me a very happy moderator. Thanks to all of you for making "Another TCM Programming Challenge" such a success so far.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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Here are the links to RKO, MGM and Warner that will show all the movies that they made. If a movie has no votes and no comments it means that TCM has never had it on. On the other hand if there are 100 votes and someone has commented on the movie it means that they have seen it somewhere, most likely TCM.

 

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0041421/

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0020206/

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026840/

 

This is what I am using to pick my movies and it will be a good source for anyone who wants to enter.

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I have another way I usually determine if TCM has had a film on, at least in the past, and that is by doing a search in the database box on TCM's site opening page for the title, and when you click on the film title when it comes up, another page will appear which has a column called Main Links at the left. The column usually says, notes, cast,etc. There is also the word "Articles". If that is in bold, you can click on it to see the TCM article, indicating it has been on TCM.

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I think I stopped and asked directions from you in some strange city before. I just said, OK, thank you, and went on as confused as I was before. I finaly asked some kid on the side of the street where it was and he said , call the damn number and find it for yourself! and ever since I just keep it simple stupid. That's me who's stupid not you.

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Hello All!

 

Seeing as "Another TCM Programming Challenge" has succeeded in attracting a good number of first-time participants, I fear I may have been too vague or presumptuous about basic Challenge parameters when I announced this latest Challenge. So I thought it would be a good idea to reiterate the ground rules as put forth in the previous Challenges and remind everyone they are still in effect on this Challenge.

And if anyone would still like to participate, there is plenty of time before this Challenge ends (Midnight on Sunday October 8th. That's between Sunday and Monday.) To a person, each participant (veteran and rookie) has expressed to me that they are enjoying this Challenge very much so why are you hesitatiing about being a "Challenger"? Come On!

 

"The Challenge is a banquet and most poor Board Members are starving to death!"

----------Mame Dennis (paraphrased)

 

(I am copying and pasting from the previous Challenge threads so thank you to path40a and lzcutter for the plagerism)

 

Another TCM Programming Challenge

 

Put together one week's lineup for TCM. A week will give you an appreciation of the task which faces tcmprogrammer and his staff each and every month, year in and year out. That's right, it's your station. Now, here are the restrictions and the required output:

 

1. Choose a Star of the Month - their films can consume one evening (usually 3-4 movies)

2. Have a theme for the other evenings (e.g. link at least 2, and preferably 4, films with some common attribute); each evening should begin at 8 PM ET.

3. Use tcmdb.com or imdb.com to get running times so that you don't exceed 24 hours/day of programming for the week. You can fill in the "blanks" with Private Screenings and/or other short features, which you don't have to list if you don't want to, but try not to exceed 10-20 minutes between films (lest you lose your audience)

4. This month's "theme" is to salute Film Series / Franchise Films so set aside one night to showcase a selection of films from a single films series (Think "The Thin Man", "Andy Hardy", "Dr. Kildare", etc.) that often had the same actors in the same roles in each film. As many of the most beloved and popular film series are outside of the core TCM library (MGM/WB/RKO), for this night one can program films of the chosen series without regard to the films being "premieres". It is carte blance.

5. Select one other Board Member to act as a "Guest Programmer" who can "select four of their favorite films from the TCM library" to present one evening during the Challenge week. Theming is not expected or required of a Guest Programmer. I look upon a Guest Programmer evening as a window into the heart and mind of another film-loving Board Member. The Guest Programmer may want to include a line or two explaining their choices and should be included when the participant posts the final Challenge Schedule. Make use of the Private Message system as a means of communicating with each other and try to keep the identity of the Guest Programmer a secret until the Challenge is posted so we can all have a nice surprise.

6. For this Challenge, one can also program any film of one's choosing for the "Silent Sunday Nights", "TCM Underground" and "TCM Imports" without regard to having been previously shown on TCM. One is free to premiere any appropriate films for these showcases.

7. During the rest of the week, one can "premiere" two films to make their debuts on TCM. (Between the Franchise Films, the Silent and Import Showcases and the regular premiere allotment (2), one can creatively debut 8 to 10 films during this Challenge. All other films during the week should come from the TCM "library" - MGM, RKO and pre-1949 Warner Bros. - or have been shown previously on TCM.

 

Optional (other things TCM staff members do regularly)

 

8. Recognize actor's birthdays and/or do other unannounced tributes and film linkages during some of the days

7. Provide some range of genres and/or release dates in your selections (e.g. Comedy, Western, Musical, Romance, Historical, Biographical, drama, noir, silent etc. & films from the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, etc.)

9. Include some well known classics like Oscar winners (or nominees) and/or movies that have been added to the National Film Registry (e.g. to draw new viewers to the channel)

10. Choose a TCM Essential to run on Saturday night at 8 PM ET and Sunday night at 6 PM ET

11. Consider including a film-related documentary during the week.

12. Most Importantly - Have Fun!

 

Hopefully I have cleared the water and not made it murkier. If there is anything above that is confusing or contradictory, let me know and I will clean it up.

 

And with that...

Are you in?

 

Kyle In Hollywood

 

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The "TCM Programming Challenge" Reference Desk

 

As promised, here's a set of links to websites that may come in handy when trying to assemble a week of Programming for TCM.

 

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The "encyclopedia" and the "almanac" of film research -

 

http://imdb.com/

 

http://tcmdb.com/index.jsp

 

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And thanks to allieharding for posting the IMDB links to the libraries of MGM, RKO and Warner Bros earlier. I am going to re-post them here so all these links are collected together.

 

RKO Radio Pictures -

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0041421/

 

Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer -

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0020206/

 

Warner Bros./First National -

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026840/

 

On the above pages you will find lists of ALL the RKO, MGM and WB studios' output by release date. It includes everything - including cartoons and shorts - so it takes a bit of effort to search out interesting but unfamiliar films but it can be fun and enlightening to scavenge around through the titles.

 

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Here is the infamous coffedan post detailing the ownership of all the classic film libraries -

http://forums.turnerclassicmovies.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=67884&start=15&tstart=0

 

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Here's an index page at IMDB.com that includes a link to a page to where one can find lists of birthdays by date. If you are looking for a birthday for a certain day during your week, this is where you can find it.

 

http://imdb.com/a2z

 

Additionally, there are links on this page to other interesting lists and information you creative folks could use.

 

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mongo's all-encompassing Happy Birthday posts are thorough, enlightening and entertaining to boot. Always a pleasure to read and recommend.

 

Happy Birthday

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=12703&start=2925#206254

 

Happy Birthday II

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=82491&start=315#7805236

 

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Below is a link to the website for webarchive.org that sugarpuss turned me on to the other day. Webarchive.org calls it self the "Wayback Machine" as it has archived old webpages and is searchable by site name. The link below takes you to a list of old TCM pages you might find useful.

 

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://tcm.turner.com

 

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Here's my favorite film reference site on the Internet. If you need to do some general research, want the AFI "100" lists, want to brush up on genres or just waste a few hours reading some great stuff about good films, this is a great site to do that.

 

http://filmsite.org/

 

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A wonderful site with wonderful information by a wonderful person we all know around here -

 

http://www.classicfilmguide.com/index.php?s=home

 

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And for some historical perspective, here are links to schedules presented in the two previous Challenges. There is a lot to learn from the work that has come before.

 

From the Original TCM Programming Challenge originated and moderated by path40a -

 

jarhfive -

http://forums.turnerclassicmovies.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7787158#7787158

 

lzcutter -

http://forums.turnerclassicmovies.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=7785946

 

filmlover -

http://forums.turnerclassicmovies.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=7785902

 

allieharding -

http://forums.turnerclassicmovies.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=7785693

 

MattHelm -

http://forums.turnerclassicmovies.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=7783585

 

hlywdkjk -

http://forums.turnerclassicmovies.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=7784437

 

And from the Second TCM Programming Challenge moderated by always wonderful lzcutter -

 

path40a -

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7795003#7795003

 

Bogie -

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7795608#7795608

 

MattHelm -

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7796881#7796881

 

filmlover -

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7797121#7797121

 

tracy65k -

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7801095#7801095

 

hlywdkjk -

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7799000#7799000

 

If anyone has some links that they think would be valuable additions to the "TCM Programming Challenge Reference Desk", Private Message them to me and I will edit them into this post. I hope having all these "resources" collected in one post will be useful to everyone participating and perhaps convince some sideliners to get into the game.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

 

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And don't forget about the Happy Birthday thread, where there is oodles of films listed for references and possible themes.

Some former players and a few winners of the TCM Programming Challenge, have found inspirition on the thread.

 

Good luck to all the participants.

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Glad you brought the Birthday threads to my attention and kicking myself for not thinking of including them myself.

Happy to add them to the "Reference Desk" and pleased you are paying attention to what is going over here.

 

Can't convince to throw your lot in the rest of the "Challengers" though, huh?

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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I want to correct an error and a slight that I have made and inadvertently perpetuated in this and other threads to one of our Board Members.

 

When writing about the effects the TCM programming Challenge has had on the actual TCM schedule, I have referred to MattHelm's inclusion of serials on his first Challenge week as an example of the Challenge's influence. That is still true, but I have neglected to mention that in that first Challenge, serials were also a part of the schedule presented by jarhfive (Rusty) and he also deserves to be recognized and celebrated by us for TCM presenting serials in the near future.

 

It is an omission I am very embarrased to have made and want to apologize to jarhfive and bring attention to honor his great effort that first Challenge.

 

Feeeling better but still ashamed of the slip up -

Kyle In Hollywood

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I almost forgot about Rusty's Hurricane Express serials, too. I started a thread at about the time of the first challenge that mentioned serials, and there were a few people who were interested in seeing them on TCM. So, it was the concerted effort of a few people, which I think is what made them take notice, not just myself, or any one person.

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I am going to read all the quietness in this thread as a good sign that everyone is hard at work and making good progress on "Another TCM Programming Challenge". I hope I am reading that correctly.

 

And if any one wants to join in with the participants (eight of you fine folks, that I am aware of), there is still time. This Challenge is open until October 8th so there are four weekends to go for one to prepare a fantasy week of programming for TCM. The details are found in a post below. Give it a look and if you are feeling creative, we'd love to have you join in.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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I have a rough draft finished but I need to do some work on it to make all Primetime Themes start at 8:00 PM. Also, can we have only one Essentials on Saturday or do we need two because that will be a pain for my Sunday line-up? I have 4 Paramount Films I would like to include also as premiers, I would hate to loose any of them but if I have to choose I will pick the best.

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Hi allieharding -

As I have told some other participants, shuffling the order of films and not necessarily starting a subsequent film on the next available quarter of an hour can often be the solution to stretching or condensing a daytime schedule to end at 8pm / 5pm (EST / PST). If a film ended at 40 minutes after the hour, I might wait until the top of the hour to start the next one instead of starting at 45 minutes after the hour (quarter to the hour.) And in the rough draft stage, leaving the extra minutes can become very handy. Those unprogrammed fifteen minutes may be needed later in the day. Starting at the top of an hour leaves them free and you can "take them back" from yourself, so to speak, if need be to fit that 95 minute film in to the schedule later rather than looking for an 85 minute film.

 

As for the Essentials on Sunday, if you are trying to program to the standard TCM schedule, then you know there should be a reprise Essential on Sunday. If you are being more creative and you aren't trying to program a typical TCM week, then it is your choice as to what you should program during a Sunday afternoon. The only question I would have is if it really necessary to have your slate of Sunday daytime films on a Sunday? Can you shift them to a different weekday so you could slip in an Essentials reprise? You know the answer to that.

 

The frustration of having too many "premieres" one would like to program is familiar to all the Challenge participants. I know you have a lot of old TCM schedules so that you can research the Paramount films that have regularly appeared on TCM in the past few years (and are free to be programmed as non-premieres during your Challenge week).. On this point I would have to say, find the two that are the most important to the themes and use them. Using four premieres is out of bounds - especially on a Challenge week that is loaded with other 'Premiere" options. Hate to be a hard-nose about this point but I think this one is non-negotiable. Sorry allieharding.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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Kyle, regarding the reprise Essential on Sunday, it should be pointed out (unless this has changed) that the programming week begins on Sunday and ends on Saturday, so two different Essentials are generally required.

 

For example:

 

Your programming week begins on Sunday (the March 6th date is just one grabbed out of the air and is not to be thought of as real):

 

Sunday, March 6th - the reprise Essential on this day is one that would have been shown on TCM on Saturday, March 5th if you were doing that Saturday (but you are not)

 

Monday March 7th

 

Tuesday March 8th

 

Wednesday March 9th

 

Thursday March 10th

 

Friday March 11th

 

Saturday March 12th - this would be a different Essential in your programming week and it's reprise would also be in the Sunday, March 13th sched if you were doing one for that date, but aren't)

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Hi, Allie,

 

I really do know how hard it is not being able to use several Premieres. So many times, including now, I would like to have unlimited premieres, but we are trying to schedule this the way the real TCM programmer would. And the fitting in of movies you have set to a theme while trying to also program in the regularly scheduled weekend TMC things such as Darkness After Dawn, Synchopation Station, Cartoon Alley, The Essentials, Silent Sunday, and the Western thing, all can make it a logistical nightmare. And working in running times of films, too? I've faced this several times now but I always manage to get in what I want,while still working with what is available.

 

Believe me, at the end of [rogramming your week, you will be tired but it will be something you want to do again becaiuse you will have theme ideas you still want to use. And you will have a greater respect for what the TCM programmer does 52 weeks of the year.

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Hello All -

 

Thanks sandykaypax for bringing this up from the bowels of the boards last evening. From what I see, it won't be the last time it has to be done..

 

Happy to hear MattHelm has his schedule amost complete. (And you got started late!) I hope you have had a good time so far.

 

I want to point out to everyone that I was very conscious in being loose with the mandatory elements of this Challenge week. If I didn't explicitly list a requirement to be included as part of a Challenge Week, then Challengers are free to not use them. I wanted to put forth a Challenge that would allow and encourage as much creativity as possible for as many folks as possible. And, with this group, I know we are going to see some excellent results. Looking forward to seeing them all.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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